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29/01/2007

There are many reasons why it would be desirable for Muslims, or anybody else, to feel free to reinterpret their religious texts. But this surely is not the business of the state, for that opens the way to authoritarianism. By Ian Buruma

 
Theocraphobe
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registered on 31/03/2007
Disappointment with Murder in Amsterdam
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Condemning Islam, without taking the many variations into account, is too indiscriminate.
I read Buruma, here and his book Murder in Amsterdam, with mounting disappointment since I had high expectations after reading Johann Hari's quote about an earlier book.

The book is a series of well-turned stories about some interesting people connected, vaguely, by some laboured links passed off as analysis. It is timid and ultimately a betrayal of Hirsi Ali. It is not enough to bemoan her absence "my country seems smaller without her". Better to stand up to those whose murder threats hounded her away.

And it is not enough to separate out Islamists for condemnation (though not it seems for effective opposition). Neither it is enough to separate out Islam. Sam Harris in his "End of Faith" shows that it is the religious so-called moderates of EVERY theistic, irrational faith that license the extremists. To kill Theo Van Gogh in Europe or bomb an abortion clinic in the USA or bulldoze a Palestinian village in the Middle East in the name of a God, all require a safe area where irrational faith in a creator, "inspired" texts and an afterlife are acceptable.

This is not defending Europe against an alien force. It is not even only about defending the Enlightenment. It is defending reason itself. A new dark age is upon us and sadly the resistance,led by Dawkins, Harris, Hirsi Ali and their like is in retreat.

In despair.
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leo mandel
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registered on 01/03/2007
you have to consider the context of islam
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"nudist beach"
dear Ian Buruma, if there is no formal difference between a nudist beach and a for-women-only beach or swimming pool(as demanded by some moslems in Italy or in France), there is indeed a difference when you consider the context.
The nudists or else do not intend to make propaganda or change our way of life. On the contrary, some strong currents in the moslem world do intend to change our way of life, by propaganda, or even by violence (against western people or against moderate moslems) .
So we must be very careful to some moslem revendications in democratic countries. No comparison possible between nudist beaches, kosher restaurants or else from one side, and for-women-only beaches and swimming pools.
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pb
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registered on 27/02/2007
Freedom cannot be decreed
Ian Buruma says Ayaan Hirsi Ali "tends to see religion, and Islam in particular, as the root of all evils, especially of the abuse of women." Let's challenge Buruma to cite where she has said that. I say she's said it nowhere. I say Buruma made it up as a club to support the ludicrous claim that she is as fundamentalist as the Islamic lunatics she opposes.

Buruma says Islamic violence against women is just a matter of law enforcement. That's exactly wrong. Islam opposes the distinction between civil and religious law, and "holy" spokesmen for Islam promote, encourage and practise violence against women. That is a cultural and religious matter. Ayaan Hirsi Ali's statements that Islam in general is backward are very helpful indeed in this respect, especially where civil governments suicidally seek to legalise Sharia.

Buruma's claim not to see why an Islamic hospital in Rotterdam "is so much more terrible than opening kosher restaurants" is spectacularly obtuse. An Islamic hospital will be organised to enforce Islamic domination of women according to the wishes of the most autocratic Islamic men. A kosher restaurant enforces no such abomination.
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erik
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registered on 24/02/2007
freedom cannot be decreed
i am puzzled by the socio-economic vacuum in which this discussion takes place. there is an amazing reluctance to concentrate on surface realities and events such as Mr van Gogh's murder or the film he produced. extremist islam - like many other revolutions that have shaped the world - is perhaps cannot succeed without the implicit support of very powerful groups willing to finance or provide support though other means. it is high time that these forces are made visible and exposed for what they are. islam remains far too often silent about the way it gets hijacked by an islamist agenda that serves the purpose of a small group of fanatics. the same happened in russia during the revolution (and perhaps is still happening in russia) and during the darker episodes of european history - reluctant here to single out germany and italy because many countries wer very very sympathetic to what went on then possibly in the same was as many muslims appease what is happening in their name in the middle east. without greater clarity about who in the region is trying to achieve what by behaving in this manner the west's concern about the islamist agenda will remain caught in expressing shock and horror about some of the outrages that are taking place but will never move much beyond that point. we live in very dangerous times indeed
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