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22/03/2007

 
judijasa
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My Pet Theory
This debate should not focus so much on the approval or superiority of certain writers or theories. Single individuals are arbitrary, and improbable carriers of political correctness. Theories lack historical insight. By focusing discussions on concrete policies there should emerge a position beyond a person or a theory. Yes, it won't be beautiful nor will fully satisfy any single person, but it will be as legitimate as it can be and of real use to society. Finally, I still have the doubt about when the hermeneutic movement should be made "in" or "out" of oneself on this issue.
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Dionysius
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registered on 18/04/2007
The originalite of the western culture
It's only with the greek civilisation and then with Rome and modern Europe that appeared in a culture not really a total modesty, but a self critical point of view inside this same culture. With Montaigne for instance and of course even more witt Montesquieu, the theme of the relativity of the cultural values is developped. That means that we have no right to say that a culture is inferior to the our culture just because it's different, and the consequence of this attitude is that we should be able to look to our own culture as we were outsiders.
But this principle, in Plato, Aristote, or the enligntment philosophers (french and american) doesn't mean that all the cultures are of equivalent, but that they must be judged, including ours, impartially at the light of reason. The originality of the western civilization is to have created a tribunal of human values, human rights and rational criteria at the light of which all civilisations must be examined. That is contrary to the post modernist idea that assert that all civilisations are equivalent with the logical conclusion that we don't believe in any values.
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salad
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registered on 03/04/2007
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Sjoerd DeJong
Sjoerd:

With So many supporters, too bad Ayaan couldn't find an apartment building who wouldn't take her to court to get her evicted.

Indeed, the Dutch loved Ayaan! And were begging for her to stay. Your insight on how much the establishment loved her was "So bang on", I mean Really!

(Maybe if you don't want Ayaan's "friends" to take swipes at your "Friend" Buruma, then you should urge him to not make his attack personal against Ayaan)
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salad
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Nude Beaches versus Beaches for Women Only... Why stop there!
To the "intellectuals" who use Nudist Beaches as reason to support Female-only beaches, let's highlight the difference:

1- A non-nude person can go a nudist beach. A male person cannot, by definition, enter a Women's only beach. The former is "inclusive", the latter is not.

2- Why protect only a female's interest in a Women-only beach. After all, heterosexual males might be interested in ensuring that no homosexual male is attracted to them. Heterosexual women may demand likewise. Perhaps the State should divide its shoreline to a "Mixed Beach", a "Women's only beach", "a Straight man only beach", a "Straight Woman only beach"...

3- Why stop there. After all, if "women" don't want to arouse the interest of men, and still feel the State should offer them a reserved area to swim, then why not be a little more selective. How about White women not interested in attracting the attention of Black males be secured a location to enjoy their preferences!


It is not the business of the "Multi-cultural" state to pander to the restrictions and interests of its constituents. If you want a mosque or a church, or a woman-only beach. Buy such a property with private money and set it up! But don't expect the tax-payer to foot the bill.

Enough with the ridiculous non-sense being spewed from so-called "Intellectual" minds.




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Sjoerd DeJong
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registered on 11/03/2007
In defence of Ian Buruma (2)
I am afraid Mr. Buruma’s book Murder in Amsterdam was up for the same treatment once the friends around Ms Hirsi Ali noticed its message would not be their own belligerent one. And instead of discussing M. Buruma’s book, which would add to his air play, his critics tried to get rid of it by questioning its authors veracity.
Admittedly, Mr Buruma made some factual errors in his book (calling Paul Scheffer, another of Ms Hirsi Ali’s friends, a former ‘maoist’, while he had been a communist). Such mistakes are unfortunate, of course, but they do not justify the present campaign against his book. Nor should they draw attention away from its message, wich I have read as saying: in order to solve our problems with islam and islamic immigrants, we would do well to come down from Enlightenment Olympus, and get to work. Or is the hidden message to muslims really: we don't want you here at all?

Created on 17/03/2007 | Reviewed on 17/03/2007
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