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22/03/2007

Bassam Tibi argues for Euro-Islam as a bridge between civilisations.

 
Darryl
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registered on 17/03/2007
Our Global Project: Reforming Islam
It appears that Islam has decided to make a mission field of Europe. I suppose this is only poetic justice since the Europeans in their time declared a religious war, er, excuse me, undertook a holy mission to bring the blessings of Christianity to the barbarians. What our world needs today is not more proselytization for any religion, but less religion all around. The Europeans understand this; the Americans do not, or refuse to consider it. I don’t think the world can withstand another wave of persecutions, blasphemy trials, inquisitions, tortures, and all the rest in behalf of new hegemonic orthodoxy. We do not need to relive the Middle Ages and the Reformation. We cannot go backward and we must not give up all that we have struggled to gain.

Islam is on a collision course with the West and we can only avoid a catastrophe by a reformation of Islam that comes from within and is supported from without. If we cannot hope to eradicate religion outright, we can at least do it in degrees through reform. Let us be clear: reformation is an incremental process of religious eradication, if carried to its logical end.

Bassam Tibi has said “It is half-witted of Garton Ash to confuse the demand for a reform of Islam in Europe with the demand for Muslims to give up their faith.” (Sign and Sight, 3/22/2007) Tibi is wrong; Ash is right. To make Islam compatible with European culture requires Islam to be reformed. All religious reformation is a giving up of some aspects of a religion—this is undeniable. Islamic fundamentalism is no different in this respect than Christian fundamentalism. If I were to require Jerry Falwell to quit believing that his Bible is without error and authoritative on all matters that it addresses, and consequently quit denouncing homosexuals, in order for him to integrate into European culture, wouldn’t he be right to conclude that I was asking him to give up his faith, or some part of it that he considers to be ‘fundamental’ to it? Look at the history of religious reformation in Europe and what do you find? Once reformation begins, if it is uninterrupted, it leads inevitably to a giving up of the faith itself—and this is want we need.

Unless and until we all give up our fighting faiths we will continue to threaten and to harm one another. Taking the fight out of our faiths is reformation, a slow process of neutering religion and acclimating it to a rational, secular, humanistic culture. This is our challenge and our responsibility, one just as great as building economic, ecological, and political sustainability. Indeed, reformation may be a precondition for species sustainability.
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Larry Houle
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registered on 24/03/2007
POPE BENEDICT: A GOD/ALLAH OF REASON OR AN IRRATIONAL GOD/ALLAH
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POPE BENEDICT: A GOD/ALLAH OF REASON OR AN IRRATIONAL GOD/ALLAH UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS An Islamic Reformation
POPE BENEDICT: A GOD/ALLAH OF REASON OR AN IRRATIONAL GOD/ALLAH


An Islamic Reformation

The Pope should call for a world religious conference on the scale of Vatican 2 bringing together all the top religious leaders and scholars from EVERY world religion to draft a Universal Declaration of Religious Rights and Freedoms. Such a Declaration will lead to a Reformation of Islam. The Equality of Women and the Renunciation of Religious Violence are essential cornerstones in the Reformation of Islam.


UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS

There is only one God
God is God
God is a God of Reason.
God is not an irrational being. If God is irrational then God is not God.

God Being a God of Reason Therefore:

All violence in the Name of God/Allah is the GREATEST evil anyone can commit. Suicide is an evil act in every religion. Suicide bombers killing themselves and others in the Name of God/Allah – this is the Supreme evil act. The second most evil act is killing, maiming, and torturing others to the Greater Glory of God/Allah. The concept of Jihad as religious holy war must be condemned. All references to violence in any holy book/text is not the word of God but the word of man. No God who is God would ever instruct anyone to commit acts of violence against any other human being. Violence in religion must be totally and completely renounced – WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION. There is no heaven for these murderers. No mansions. No virgins. Just the black hole of eternal damnation. You cannot climb to heaven on the corpses of the murdered. If God /Allah believes in violence then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.

God Being A God of Reason Therefore:

Women and men are equal in the eyes of God/Allah. Women are the equal of men. Women are not valued by God/Allah as worth 50% of men. God/Allah did not create women to be the chattel or slaves of men. Females have full rights in society before the law, under the rule of law, can dress any way they freely desire without fear of death, walk the streets without a male relative escort, do any occupation, receive all educational rights, drive planes, trains, automobiles, fly to the stars, choose their own husbands etc. These equal rights of women in society are very important. Their exercise without fear of violence - without the fear of being victims of Honor Killings must be declared WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION in any such declaration. If God/Allah is a sexist then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.


God Being A God of Reason Therefore:

There are many ways to God/Allah. Each individual has the total and complete right to find his/her own way to God/Allah or not. Religious freedom is the right of all mankind. The right to build churches, mosques etc. To practice ones religious beliefs non – violently is a corner stone of all civilized societies. The right to change ones religion without fear of death. Only an irrational God/Allah would order people put to death for not believing in religion or deciding to change ones beliefs from one religion to another religion. It is an unimpeachable right.

God Being A God Of Reason Therefore:

All human beings are created equal. All races are created equal. God/Allah does not wish that any human being be a slave. No one person is the lesser of the other. To use religion to spread hate against other races, religions in places of worship, employing television or any other medium, teaching hatred to the young in schools – this is evil incarnate. If God/Allah is a racist then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.

God Being A God Of Reason Therefore

God/Allah blessed man with an intelligence to reason, to explore, to seek the truth of any question – total freedom of thought. To think and reason without fear of jail/death. It is against the will of God/Allah to threaten anyone with death, torture or prison for freely exercising his God/Allah given brain. The human brain is the greatest gift God/Allah has ever bestowed on man. It was given to mankind to purse - the arts, literature, sciences, intellectual pursuits. Its free exercise is the will of God/Allah. Declared WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION. If God/Allah is anti intellectual then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.

God Being A God Of Reason Therefore

All mankind has the right to freedom and democracy, equality before the law, freedom of action, freedom of thought, right to elect their leaders. God /Allah does not want dictators and tyrants to rule over other men. NO EQUIVOCATION. If God/Allah does not believe in the right of mankind to Freedom and Democracy then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.


Sincerely,
Larry Houle
www.godofreason.com
E-mail: intermedusa@yahoo.com
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omarali50
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registered on 19/02/2007
Tibbi's huge ego comes in the way of some sensible ideas
Bassam Tibbi may wish to try writing more about the enlightenment values that he (and I) would like to see adopted as "European values" and less about how he trademarked the term "Euro-islam". There is something a shade disturbing about how much time he spends talking up Bassam Tibbi!
I am also curious to know how Bassam managed to find out whether the Quran is fictional or non-fictional? what exactly are the criteria by which such a determination is made?
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Curt Carpenter
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registered on 15/03/2007
A Question for Professor Tibi
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The migration of Muslims to Europe today (in 1950, there were only 800,000 Muslims in Western Europe, today there are 20 million) belongs in this context of mutual challenge, and is the contemporary expression of the classic confrontation between Islam and Europe which Henri Pirenne reconstructs.
I think Professor Tibi could do this conversation a service by addressing the following question: _Why_ has the European Muslim population exploded 25-fold since 1950?

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Lodendodl from Austria
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registered on 23/03/2007
Who is incompetent here ?
The article reflects again the confusion of Muslims vis-à-vis the West - this time from a rather civilized, but nevertheless petty, confused and jealous mind. first of all, talking about Islam does not require a check of competence first (by whom, by the way? Certainly not by Mr. Tibi from his comfortable position in academia), and talking about Muslims in Europe will also not be subject to a licence fee for the term "EuroIslam" to be paid to the worthy professor (who may or may not have used it first - he certainly did not register it as a trade mark). And why it should be an insult to deem the Quran "fictitious" remains also to be shown (probably the Bible and the Buddhist scriptures are, but not the Quran ?). To answer with a phrase from the writer's beloved US: Give me a break!
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