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Comments on the article: A reply to Ian Buruma and Timothy Garton Ash

26/03/2007

Pascal Bruckner pens some final remarks on the multiculturalism debate.

 
jeremymm
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registered on 26/06/2008
Bruckner an intellectual?
There's a lot to disagree with in Pascal Bruckner's article, but I'll limit myslef to two main points.

Regarding Tariq Ramadan, Bruckner illustrates Noam Chomsky's analysis, that if you repeat the official doctrine you need not go into details, whereas if you have an 'alternative' message, you are repeatedly asked to prove your arguments.
Bruckner merely claims, that Ramadan is controversial and then goes on to take a quote by Ramadan in Ian Buruma's article entierely out of context, namely regarding muslim women shaking hands with men. What Bruckner conveniently omits, is that Ramadan says it should be a matter of choice.

My second point, is regarding Europe's so-called republican, secular culture. That shows how little Bruckner knows of european culture. France is probably the only european country to have such a culture. Unless of course one counts
Turkey, and that country's secularism is hardly a democratic value, imposed and safeguarded as it is by Turkey's despotic military.
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Charles Martel
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registered on 31/03/2007
Bassam Tibi is right about Tariq Ramadan, the guy is a taqiyya speaker, an ideologue for Jihad against the West.

Ramadan insists that the Quran and Sunnah should govern life today:

"I oppose... our spokespeople who say that one should no longer be faithful to the texts. That is not reasonable." (L'Islam en Question, p283).

Those willing to trawl through Ramadan's written and recorded output will find no shortage of material calling into question his supposedly liberal intent. It's clear that what Ramadan wants isn't a modernised, secular Islam, but an Islamised modernity. In Les Messages Musulmans d'Occident, Ramadan shares his vision of an Islamised Europe:

"The West will begin its new decline and the Arab-Islamic world its renewal... The Qur'an confirms, completes, and corrects the messages that preceded it."

This triumphalist tone is continued in Islam, le Face à Face des Civilisations:

"References to Judaism and Christianity are being diluted, if not disappearing altogether... Only Islam can fill the spiritual void that afflicts the West."
In Pouvoirs (164, 2003), Ramadan goes further:

"The revelation of the Quran is explicit: whoever engages in speculation or cultivates financial interests enters into war against the transcendent... Muslims who live in the West must unite themselves to the revolution... from the moment when the neo-liberal capitalist system becomes, for Islam, a theatre of war."

And yet Garton Ash and Buruma maintain that Ramadan represents a moderate version of Islam that is "compatible with the fundamentals of a modern, liberal, and democratic Europe."
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originalBarbie
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registered on 28/03/2007
right on ! we need this info. much more Out & About
As a 60ish gal who loves learning and until the past ten or so years has been not too interested in local, US, or worldwide politics. However, the last three elections in US and many recent events are drawing me into "interest" in world events -- in part, as it is rather frightening to me. while I may have only 20 active years, IF Lucky, on this earth. I have children and grandchildren who I love & surely would not want them in a horrible, chaotic, fearful world or under Islam, or Both. a gal of Scandi descent (Norwegian&Swedish) and raised a Lutheran, I confess up front my knowledge of religions (even Catholicism) is small. i may view being Protestant that one can pick and choose among a buffet of "denominations", I realize if you are Catholic, you ARE Catholic.
I dug out an old Natl.Geographic book on WORLD RELIGIONS a few days ago. I've had it nearing 30 yrs. and only glanced in it ! (sad, eh ?) and I bought two good used books on ISLAM <<< thus, my new endeavor begins - to learn more about the beliefs of a religion which likely has Mostly decent followers, but also can spawn such Terrorists/radicals !!! no nightmares yet, but they may come ... ... ...
I applaud this article and we need Many, Many More. I get a GoogleAlert on "Islam in Europe" and may add another such as "Islam"(to get more total info. on this faith). I was saddened to read in a G-A that Islam is the only religion that has no form of
a GoldenRule (I am assuming the article's writer had researched this ?) .... kind of telling. guess even a Buddhist would have a differently phrased guide to treatment of fellow humans. and most religions in our modern world are fairly "live and let live."
When you mentioned persons advocating or suggesting that top, highly educated, wise (?) Muslims promote a "reformation" within Islam as Christianity had around 500 years ago >>> also, is their a way some Pressure could be gently (or not so gently) put upon world leaders in Islam, from any nation with a high Muslim population, to have a ROUNDTABLE Meeting to examine the true "state of Islam today." it's been pointed out that Islam has not central or High Command as the Catholic church has a Pope (protestants ?? ) ...
a dialogue on Islam in its most typical manifestations should occur. dialogue/COMMUNICATION
is key whether in families, businesses, marriages,
etc. I realize what much on radical Islam points out is that "they do Not want dialogue; they want domination : at least begin with Eurabia, a form of caliphate and then maybe WorldIslam .... none of us have a crystal ball --- if most writers against the modus operandi of the radical Muslims are non-Muslim, cannot it be assumed this bulk of humanity does not wish to live (or their descendents to live) under a
austere, no religion and state separation, regimes. !
We must wake up: I read recently WHILE EUROPE SLEPT & was chilled by this, assuming maybe 80% is fairly Right-On. when persons are murdered due to beliefs or challenging a religion or government ???
such as Theo Van Gogh -- very BAD SIGNS ...
keep up writing and getting the 'warnings' out.
Wake up and Shake Up the non-Muslim World. Thank you.
Great article ! originalBarbie
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Curt Carpenter
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Fundamentalism
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Timothy Garton Ash and Ian Buruma will I'm sure agree that the fight against fundamentalism can lead nowhere without the participation of the Muslims themselves, because they are the principle victims.
It is a mistake to imagine that the fight against fundamentalism can be confined to Muslims and Islam. Christian fundamentalism produces its own share of victims as well.
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globocitizen
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registered on 15/03/2007
If the likes of Bruckner are "enlightened" people, then I prefer to stay in the "Dark Ages" with Habermas, Kymlicka, Beck, Ash, Buruma etc or progressive and proactive Muslims like Ramadan, Essack, Soroush, Mernissi etc or the late Khaldun, Shariati etc. As for the likes of Ali, Djavran, Manji, Amara, Naipaul with "coconut" identities, let them relish their moment of fame!
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