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Comments on the article: Why Ukraine has no place in the EU

11/06/2008

Ukraine likes to conjure up the magic word "Galicia" to create an identity of European belonging. Richard Wagner picks apart this myth-cum-trademark in an EU bid he believes is misplaced.

 
TomM
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Ukraine in the EU
I'd suggest that the author look at his own history in regards to Germany. Maybe he would find that it really belongs to Italy or at least most of it does. :-) Then maybe he will get off the case of Ukraine not being part of the EU or of western Europe itself.
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JHUK
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First of all, isn't it up to the Ukrainians of modern Ukraine to decide how European they feel, not Germans or Russians? Why should the only factor be the baggage of history? Ukraine is different from Germany, but no more than Spain is from Finland, or Greece from Holland.

Secondly, Russia's geopolitical maneuvering has created an unhealthy sympathy in Germany for the Russian position. The elites of Germany and Russia out of self-interest show an utter disregard for the countries sandwiched between them. Poland (not to mention the Baltic states, Sweden, Czech Republic) show a strong recognition that Ukrainians are Europeans and that Ukraine should one day join the EU, but I suppose if Russia and Germany are all agreed no one need listen to them . . .

Thirdly, Ukraine is no less suited to EU membership and no worse prepared than Wagner's own Romania, and he knows it.

Fourthly, Germany didn't mind considering Ukraine a part of Europe in 1941! Ukraine was devastated by the Nazis, yet Germany now feels it has no responsibility at all to these people whose predecessors suffered so much.

Germany's unilateral stance (along with Italy, chiefly) in its dealings with Russia, is damaging Europe's unity, its ability to speak with a single voice, to guarantee its future geopolitical position and control over the future of its energy security. Worst of all, it says that Ukraine's Orange Revolution was for nothing, unwelcome, and that it belongs in the grip of Putin's authoritarian KGB regime, that democracy and press freedom are European 'privileges' that Ukraine is not entitled to, even if it wishes, because it's so inconvenient to Germany.

Disgusting.
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Andrey
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registered on 22/11/2008
This article is very good!
Galicia is NOT Ukraine! Lets go out to EU, but without Kiev?
"more than 9 million victims of Holodomor in 1932-1933", Why not 40 million? Dear Mr. Wagner "please dont look for the truth in" primitive Galician propaganda.
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Zbikow
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registered on 16/06/2008
I've have to express my solidarity with the people who put their comments before. Suggesting that the name Holodomor has been chosen on purpose to resemble Holocaust only in order to "upgrade" the event to the rank of genocide is cynical manipulation. This is just not fair to write such things and professional intellectuals should not do that. full stop. The Holodomor has been recognized as a crime against humanity by 23 countries including Parliament of Poland. This article brings up awful things that happend between Polish people and Ukrainians ONLY to support the idea of excluding Ukraine from European Community. I simply can't accept that.
The idea of introducing Ukraine into EU has a significant support in Poland. Not due to any "imperial desires" but due to the situation that we see it as great of chance for final reconciliation.
I've been to Ukraine and met there a great lot of hospitality and friendship (not ever problem with being polish or speaking polish either). Ukrainian writers that herr Wagner mentions are present in Poland widely. I met Taras Prochasko in Lodz to find out that he speak very good Polish. The mutual (and peer!) relations betweens the two countries has never been so good before. I hope views like those in the article won't spoil it. I'd like to believe that Mr Wagner intention was different.

Regards
Zbigniew Kowalski
Lodz, Poland
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Les Herasymchuk
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registered on 14/06/2008
Poor knowledge of Ukrainian history
Either the author simply hates Ukraine, or he borrowed his facts from outdated online Moscow-controlled sources.
1. He shouldn't misuse such terms as Muscowy and Russia.
2. For several centuries Ukraine lived in the orbit of Poland and Lithuania - Rrzeczpospolita.
3. The border areas historically were the idea-generating regions (e.g. neo-Platonism).
Ukraine was sometimes the center of several world ideologies, e.g. transforms of Byzantine ideology, Hasidism etc. Many European ideas in esthetics are also from Ukraine, Archipenko, Melevych etc. As a repressive Empire Moscow times and again appropriated foreign ideas.
4. The emigre culture belongs to the Mother country. The author may remember the evening spent by Eliot, Stravynsky and one famous British novelist in a restaurant, when they discussed the problems of their origin and phonology. Stravynsky forllowed the British classic and said that he was also of Polish-Ruthenian origin.
5. Lviv and Western Ukraine were the important centers of Ukrainian culture and ideology and produced dozens of famous names for Ukrainian, Polish and Jewish civiliyations. All of them were rooted in European mentality.
6. The author may know the history of religion and know the role played by Eukraine in such innovative European ideologes as Eastern Orthodoxy (even before it was put under the hand of Moscow ruler; recollect e.g. the role of Kyiv Mohyla Academy in Slavic revival), Protestantism and church unification later called Ecumenism.
7. The very fact of usurpation of Ukrainian territory by Muscowy, Austria as a result of destruction of Poland, or Ottoman Empire and annihilation of centuries old culture cannot deny the olden European cultural roots of this country.
8. The author should not mix-up in a Bush-like manner the questions of histroical trends and mentality with the problems of historically framed administrative control.
9. And the very last one: Ukraine has been there, I mean in Europe, for many centuries already.

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Created on 14/06/2008 | Reviewed on 16/06/2008
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